Friday, January 02, 2009

Hebie Two Legged Kickstand










Yesterday I installed the Hebie two legged kickstand on the Surly LHT. I was previously using the ESGE Pletscher two legged kickstand for almost 2 years.

Since so many people use the Pletscher on the LHT, and i've never heard of anybody talking about the Hebie, I thought I'd put together a quick post of my experiences with the two.

Pletscher:
* Lighter: The Hebie weighs about two times the Pletscher
* Prettier: It just looks good :)
* Out of the way when folded up


Hebie:

* Cheaper. Half price here in Australia.
* Immensely strong: definitely stronger than the Pletscher. I could sit on the bike with this kickstand (although my chainstays may not like it), but definitely could not with the Pletscher.
* Better mount for LHT: the mount is wider, and slightly longer than the Pletscher.
* Simpler system: Less likely to break, easier to clean and maintain.



To mount the kickstand, i put 3mm thick rubber on both mounting surfaces (see pics). This should protect the chainstays when i tighten the mounting bolt. When i first got my Pletscher, I mounted it without any rubber, and it left some ugly marks on my chainstays. I then applied some rust protectant paint, and remounted it with handlebar tape as padding. It chewed through that too though. I then mounted it with the 3mm thick rubber, and it seemed to hold up, so I've done the same with the Hebie.

My main concern with the Hebie was the reduced ground clearance. However this has since proved to not be a problem for regular riding. I can still go up a gutter, without any interference. It wouldn't be too good for technical offroad riding though.

I got the stand from Cheeky Transport in Newtown (Sydney, Australia for those from overseas).

17 comments:

  1. Hi Dan

    Thanks for sharing your findings. I hadn't considered the Hebie or the issue of protecting the frame so a good head's up there.

    One thing you might want to take a look at. When I viewed the page, there seemed to be a lot of duplicate photos and also the photo size had me scrolling left to right. You might want to consider smaller photos.

    Once again thanks for sharing.

    Regards
    Andrew

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  2. Thanks Andrew, I've fixed up the photos and reduced their size.

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  3. Interesting. I had never seen one of these. I was planing to move my ESGE kickstand from my Trek to my LHT when it gets in (soon, I hope).

    When you mention 3mm rubber, is that just a piece of inner tube or did you use something else?

    I'm also considering a Click-Stand, except that I like the ability to raise a wheel off the ground to work on it with the double-leggers.

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  4. Sweet! I wanted the Hebie for my LHT but couldn't find a source when I needed it. I ended up with the Pletscher, which I like, but I'm very happy to see the Hebie in action.

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  5. G'day

    For anyone interested, SJS Cycles in the UK have both models available for online purchase.

    Regards
    Andrew

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  6. ksteinhoff said...

    > When you mention 3mm rubber, is that
    > just a piece of inner tube or did you
    > use something else?

    I bought a rubber offcut from clarke rubber. it's the same rubber i used for my front mudflap in the pics. it's much thicker than an inner tube.

    > I'm also considering a Click-Stand,
    > except that I like the ability to
    > raise a wheel off the ground to work
    > on it with the double-leggers.

    yeah, i agree. i also considered the click stand. as you say, the ability to raise the wheel off the ground is important. also, im not too convinced about the clickstand for commuting. imagine parking it on the street, against a post with the clickstand for support. I don't think it would work well. However, for touring, it looks really good.

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  7. dan _ I can't see the Hebie on Cheeky's web site to get a price. Did you get the Pletscher in oz or by o/s mail?

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  8. Hi Francis,

    Give cheeky a call regarding the Hebie. Their website is out of date.

    I got my pletscher from cheeky for $110. last one though, and they're not getting any more they tell me.

    A friend of mine just brought back 2 pletschers for me as a belated xmas present. I have use for one, but am going to ebay the other when i get a chance. She paid $50 euro from netherlands, which is about $100. It's brand new, and is silver.

    Daniel

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  9. dan - I'll take it for $100 or so. I'll e-mail you with details of hard mail and money transfer.

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  10. G'day

    For those chasing a Hebie, Cycle Sense in UK's price is around $60 plus postage and SJS Cycles have the ESGE Bipod for around $41.00.

    Regards
    Andrew

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  11. "Joad Sportz Supplies" sell the Pletscher for $91, if anyone wants it. http://www.joadsportzsupplies.com.au/

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  12. Hi Dan

    I am curious as to how you have found the stand now that you have had a chance to use it a bit. Still happy with it?

    Regards
    Andrew

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  13. Hi,

    yes, I am still very happy with the Hebie. It's got a lot of use, and is still as solid as the day I got it. It did get a bit hard to engage about 2 weeks ago, from the crud that had built up while riding in the rain. A quick spray of teflon spray fixed that nicely. The beauty of the Hebie is it's simplicity. No complex joints or things that can break.

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  14. I found and purchased a Hebie bipod kickstand here a couple months back. I, too, placed it on my LHT bicycle with some rubber cut-outs.

    Later on, I found that my chain in certain gearing rubbed up against the Hebie kickstand. That was not good. I liked the kickstand a lot. However, I saw no other choice to remove it and consider purchasing a Pletscher double kickstand.

    I found on the flickr photo sharing website a real cool sturdy top plate mount with the spec's to build one yourself for those who own specificly Surly LHT'r for load long tours that I am considering to have done.

    Anybody else have chain rub problems on their Surly LHT bicycle with the Hebie bipod kickstand ?

    Kim

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  15. Oh by the way, here that link to the custom top plate for the Pletscher double kickstand.

    https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=28704972&postID=6167762789554417436&page=1

    If you feel a need to print it out, go to landscape format at 95% on the large image format from the webpage.

    Kim

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  16. Hi Kim,

    I have not experienced this. However my LHT (which has the hebie on it) has a large chainring of only 44 teeth. How big is your largest chainring? are you finding that it is only rubbing when in the largest chainring? or is it the opposite, and only when in the smallest chainring? my smallest chainring is also very small, at only 22 teeth.

    I don't have my LHT with me at the moment, but when i get home i will check the clearances and reply tomorrow.

    cheers,

    Daniel

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  17. I appreciated this information, since my goal is to educate potential car-free citizens about the best products and services that will make their transitions easier. As such, the Hebie will keep a bike stable, especially when putting groceries into panniers or when changing the back tire, among other things.

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